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gone · Dec 01, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by I MP I

'So far this is the only post I've seen that makes any sense in a 38 page thread littered with virtual fecal matter and flames. Go Fenix!!!

LoL makes sense? you do realize that they made shovels full of 'free money' already. if and when they re-sell it, it will be nickels and dimes compared to what is already in the bank.(from the promo sales)

Fril Estelin · Dec 01, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

I cannot speak for the Europeans in this matter, nor shall I.

I suggest you then explicitly start your replies with a specific message stating you are only talking about the US-ians (I guess brasilians or canadians are Americans too). Because GWG like GW is a global environment, we have to try to leave together and pointing at what can be done in "our" system is not good (I had no problem in the UK, the so-called "51st state" but I would never take that as a "minimum requirement", GWG showed how large in terms of countru GW is).

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No excuses except your own. Cheese with your whine? Riverside isn't your pity pot. This is old.

You seem to fight pretty hard to try to make people realise their so-called "n00bness" (sic) or lazyness, which may well be true for some. Why?

I also bought GW:EN online (not so happy at first, then realised it was a good idea; my GW/Factions/NF boxed are nice but useless), got the BMP and now I'm ready to accept that other people will get access to it. But NOT for financial reasons, purely for game reasons because (though I only played a few minutes of the BMP) this should NOT be inaccessible to the general GW population.

It's added content that is trully inovative and fun. It feels like CB combined with good moments of the four "campaigns". I don't want to keep it to myself, and I'm sure Anet will release it publicly at one point (and given the speed with which GW population forget the fun they have, people /notsigning here should be ok).

Let's not keep the fun to ourselves, this would generate tensions in a game that still has a population not too bad. But as I said before, no free release (or may be in 1,5 year when GW2 will be closer?), maybe something like "when you pay more than $30, you can buy the BMP and the price is like $5", to "try" to be fair with those that paid (Anet did not coerced you into buying free slots or GW:EN).

I wonder whether mentioning the pre-release packs for the 4 campaigns would explain this better.

Saraphim · Dec 01, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

The solution is probably a middle-ground, to allow people to use PlayNC game cards (which are found in stores) to apply towards products in the GW store. .

Sensible, I guess the retailer still gets something of a cut. But at least access would be fairer.

drago34 · Dec 01, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

To all /notsigners

What a pathetic bunch of assholes I discovered, thanks, never realized before it was possible some people actually exist.

Very informative.

To idiots like you-

A promotion is for a LIMITED time. If you missed the date too bad, it doesn't mean ANet should make it available to everyone... that would defeat the purpose of a promotion to begin with. Now quit

over missing it and just give up already. Anet would end up making all the people who did buy through the store for this angry.

/endrant-ish-ness

CyberNigma · Dec 01, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by I MP I

'

So far this is the only post I've seen that makes any sense in a 38 page thread littered with virtual fecal matter and flames. Go Fenix!!!

It's also completely incorrect in the long run. If they put it into the online store, people that wanted stuff like that would revert to brick and mortars to buy the other products (this mainly applies to GW2) because they also get the hard mats with it. How many people would not have bought 3 character slots or EotN digital had they known they could just buy the bonus pack and get EotN at their brick and mortar (maybe even discounted). In the end, ArenaNet would lose money buy offering it for sale online. They would lose the pure profit they make off of those that would buy the digital products that are also offered in the brick and mortars.

Barring CE's, if people know they can get bonus packs by buying new expansions/releases (major expansions/releases) online, then maybe they will and forego the brick and mortar. This could easily bring in more profit that the people buying the bonus pack would bring in.

Assuming 4 million people

2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (- retail cut/discounts)
2-4 million free minor bonus packs

is more money than
<2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
>2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (-retail cut/discounts)
<2-4 million paid-for digital minor bonus packs (pure profit)
^- probably quite a bit fewer bought than would be free

is more money than
<2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
>2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (-retail cut/discounts)
<2-4 million paid-for digital minor bonus packs (- retail cut/discounts)

the profit made off of the larger products will most likely be greater than the profits made off of the smaller products seeing as how they will not see more minor bonus packs sold that the total number of copies.

In otherwords, they know what they're doing in the business area.. :-)

Disclaimer: Oversimplified, lamen explanation using numbers out of my ass to make a point.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

To all /notsigners

What a pathetic bunch of assholes I discovered, thanks, never realized before it was possible some people actually exist.

Very informative.

I take it you neglected to meet requirements set by the providing company for this promotion. I suppose your one of the ones that just figured, oh, ANET is going to change everything they are saying and actually offer it for poor me. I also assume you are one of those people that just think major companies are going to tailor everything around them. And to that end, I also assume you are one of those people that thinks ANET is going to go back on their original statements just to satisfy all the people in the US that were either...

A). Lazy
B). Stupid
C). Naive
D). Uninformed
E). Careless
F). Over expecting.
G). Absolutely unable to acquire a means to meet the requirements. (to these people, I am truly sorry or your too young to be playing Guild Wars)

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

It's also completely incorrect in the long run. If they put it into the online store, people that wanted stuff like that would revert to brick and mortars to buy the other products (this mainly applies to GW2) because they also get the hard mats with it. How many people would not have bought 3 character slots or EotN digital had they known they could just buy the bonus pack and get EotN at their brick and mortar (maybe even discounted). In the end, ArenaNet would lose money buy offering it for sale online. They would lose the pure profit they make off of those that would buy the digital products that are also offered in the brick and mortars.

Barring CE's, if people know they can get bonus packs by buying new expansions/releases (major expansions/releases) online, then maybe they will and forego the brick and mortar. This could easily bring in more profit that the people buying the bonus pack would bring in.

Assuming 4 million people

2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (- retail cut/discounts)
2-4 million free minor bonus packs

is more money than
<2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
>2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (-retail cut/discounts)
<2-4 million paid-for digital minor bonus packs (pure profit)
^- probably quite a bit fewer bought than would be free

is more money than
<2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
>2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (-retail cut/discounts)
<2-4 million paid-for digital minor bonus packs (- retail cut/discounts)

the profit made off of the larger products will most likely be greater than the profits made off of the smaller products seeing as how they will not see more minor bonus packs sold that the total number of copies.

In otherwords, they know what they're doing in the business area.. :-)

Disclaimer: Oversimplified, lamen explanation using numbers out of my ass to make a point.

Gee, I sure wish people understood modern business practices and corporate kickbacks. QFT.

NeHoMaR · Dec 01, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by flubber

yes and you can contact it via the WWW.
like wow, what a concept.

-I bet if I really wanted to, I could find each and every one of these people who claim that they can't get a CC/debit card compatible for anet/ncsoft purchases a way to make payment.

it's amazing how some of these 'adults' have no problem solving skills, and to boot...had 90 days to solve the problem.

I can get a credit card, but it will be only used in GW store exclusively, I don't need it for anything else.

I buy everything online (everything is available in my currency) with transactions bank to bank, GW store doesn't support it. And not online with cash, check and (my currency) debit card, like I already posted above.

So, my option for get BMP was to get a credit card and "activate" dollar currency in it, exclusively for GW store. So, was a LOT easier to just buy the boxed version of game.

Mulkor · Dec 01, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

You are still perfectly able to get the box. I am sure that if you were able to spend for three useless slots in order to get the bonus pack, you can spend some more to get the box.

Look the point is not how long the bonus pack was available for purchase. The fact of the matter is people have valid reasons for not being able to purchase online and as the bonus pack is CONTENT not some visual vanity (divine aura) people should be able to access it. As far as I recall, one cannot use the same credit card to purchase products on other accounts.

Is it really that difficult to understand? All those who are not signing, I ask seriously, does it make you feel superior by saying "You have had plenty time, get over it"?

Let me simplify it this way, if you had to pay for three useless slots in order to get the bonus pack, then this was YOUR CHOICE, those who were unable to get the bonus pack for valid reason, HAD NO CHOICE. They were forced to get the retail and thus miss out on the CONTENT that is exclusive to the bonus pack.

I didn't bought three character slots, I was talking in general, most people did so. I bought GWEN in the ingame store for the promotion.
You did have plenty time...and I do understand some people could'nt buy online, but three months is a lot of time to make arrangements for that matter.

And don't you think that if the BMP goes for sale, it would affect game economy? Elite weapons would lose some of it's value, since most BMP weapons have great skins. On the other you would have inscriptions and mods raising up to ridiculous prices.

BMP going for sale would raise more complaints, petitions, whining, whatnot, than if it just stays this way. Those who were in time for the promotion will complain they spent money for nothing by purcharsing 3 slots, that they had prefered buying the retail box of GWEN, that the game economy will be affected (in a way that I believe A-Net doesn't want it to (Price of Weapons < Price of Mods, Inscriptions).

I do agree though, in a new promotion exactly the same as the first BMP one.

Saraphim · Dec 01, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

To all /notsigners

What a pathetic bunch of assholes I discovered, thanks, never realized before it was possible some people actually exist.

Very informative.

Wow... just wow. Of course all the people who've /notsigned have not said that they sympathise with the lack of payment options, and some of them haven't said that a re-issue of the promotion with better payment options would be a good idea. Because they're all assholes who'd never post that !

Oh... wait..

Guess it's easier to fling insults than actually read and/or debate.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

I can get a credit card, but it will be only used in GW store exclusively, I don't need it for anything else.

I buy everything online (everything is available in my currency) with transactions bank to bank, GW store doesn't support it. And not online with cash, check and (my currency) debit card, like I already posted above.

So, my option for get BMP was to get a credit card and "activate" dollar currency in it, exclusively for GW store. So, was a LOT easier to just buy the boxed version of game.

You really need to start a thread devoted to NON US players who want the BMP. I do feel for Euro players, having been to Germany several times for extended stays. That would tread water better then all these US twits who, for reasons I have already stated, and sad now.

Fril Estelin · Dec 01, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by drago34

it doesn't mean ANet should make it available to everyone...

But does it mean that they shouldn't? (see next reply)

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that would defeat the purpose of a promotion to begin with.

The promotion gives access earlier, thus for example enabling you to sell the weapons at high price. Commercially it makes no sense at all to not sell the BMP after it was given as a promotion, especially if it's a success. (then people would regret not having bought it during the promotion, but that seems fair doesn't it?)

drago34 · Dec 01, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

But does it mean that they shouldn't? (see next reply)

The promotion gives access earlier, thus for example enabling you to sell the weapons at high price. Commercially it makes no sense at all to not sell the BMP after it was given as a promotion, especially if it's a success. (then people would regret not having bought it during the promotion, but that seems fair doesn't it?)

... You can't sell/trade the BMP weapons.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

But does it mean that they shouldn't? (see next reply)

The promotion gives access earlier, thus for example enabling you to sell the weapons at high price. Commercially it makes no sense at all to not sell the BMP after it was given as a promotion, especially if it's a success. (then people would regret not having bought it during the promotion, but that seems fair doesn't it?)

No, it does make sense. Either they have to take back their original statements, which means they would have to explain it to investors. Secondly, how much do they sell it for? Need I remind you of Riverside with a 29USD price tag?

boom.

Abnaxus · Dec 01, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by drago34

A promotion is for a LIMITED time. If you missed the date too bad, it doesn't mean ANet should make it available to everyone... that would defeat the purpose of a promotion to begin with. Now quit

over missing it and just give up already.

Anet would end up making all the people who did buy through the store for this angry.[/QUOTE]
This is a promotion:

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ks/default.php

You know the full price, you know what you buy, and you know that only for a limited time you get a 50% discount. After that, you know you can buy whenever you want, after one month or one year, and what is the price you will have to pay.

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Originally Posted by drago34

Anet would end up making all the people who did buy through the store for this angry.

This is the point.
Can you or someone else explain how this would damage you and others who already have? You got it for free, others must pay, so you already had your advantage.

Ninna · Dec 01, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

/signed

people had 4 months notice about BMP

people had 3 months notice that they could use the PlayNC store and PaySafe

there is little excuse that people could have not bought GWEN through
PlayNC if they didnt have a credit card (ie PaySafe)

but beyond all that,
it was still planned poorly for payment options

Paysafe should have also been an option through GW Store for more flexibility

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Ninna

/signed

people had 4 months notice about BMP

people had 3 months notice that they could use the PlayNC store and PaySafe

there is little excuse that people could have not bought GWEN through
PlayNC if they didnt have a credit card (ie PaySafe)

but beyond all that,
it was still planned poorly for payment options

Paysafe should have also been an option through GW Store for more flexibility

So you mean /notsigned? or /signed?

Fril Estelin · Dec 01, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by drago34

... You can't sell/trade the BMP weapons.

Right, well you can show off, brat, and "be the first" (it seems people care about that, I don't).

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No, it does make sense. Either they have to take back their original statements, which means they would have to explain it to investors. Secondly, how much do they sell it for? Need I remind you of Riverside with a 29USD price tag?

boom.

No idea what Riverside is. And what original statement are talking about? On the EU GW website, here is the original announcement:
http://eu.guildwars.com/news/article...ack_promotion/
which leads there:
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/article/missionpack/
which doesn't seem to limit the BMP to not be released later.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Right, well you can show off, brat, and "be the first" (it seems people care about that, I don't).

No idea what Riverside is. And what original statement are talking about? On the EU GW website, here is the original announcement:
http://eu.guildwars.com/news/article...ack_promotion/
which leads there:
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/article/missionpack/
which doesn't seem to limit the BMP to not be released later.

Riverside is where this thread and many other troll/flame/complaint threads can be found. It is the place of many hours of fun. Look at forum locale names.

Again, I do not speak for the Euro players, nor will I try. SO leave EU out of this please.

Ecomancer · Dec 01, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No, it does make sense. Either they have to take back their original statements, which means they would have to explain it to investors. Secondly, how much do they sell it for? Need I remind you of Riverside with a 29USD price tag?

boom.

Still reading and responding I see? The retardation caused by others is not enough for you, or do you feel the neeed to spew out more vomit?

What was ANET's original statement?

"For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!"

See theres more than one definition of the word "limited" - it depends on the context. I will give you an example: if a promotion is limited - it could either be;

a) limited for a certain time period
b) limited number of the promotion item

This however, does not entail that the promotion cannot be made available again. Nor does it imply that a promotion regarding the same item cannot be made in a different way. The limited time of course for the bonus pack was the four month period, does this mean that it won't be available ever again? One would think otherwise.

Its no different from supermarkets that give out coupons (that is their promotion) for a limited time customers can redeem the coupon and gain a benifit from purchasing x,y,z product. This does not mean that the promotion is never run again, stores often repeat the promotion for the same product.

From what I can tell, the naysayers are mostly holding onto an elitist idea - "we have it you don't so we are better than you, stop trying to get it because you can't, and I don't want to hear you voicing your opinion about it either".

Jongo River · Dec 01, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by drago34

A promotion is for a LIMITED time. If you missed the date too bad, it doesn't mean ANet should make it available to everyone... that would defeat the purpose of a promotion to begin with. Now quit

over missing it and just give up already. Anet would end up making all the people who did buy through the store for this angry.

You seem to think "promotion" means "exclusive". Products involved in promotions are not automatically bound to never be sold again. Anyone who participated, expecting (without any statement to the fact) that the pack would never be available again, really is an idiot.

Oh and your last line is incorrect. I know for a fact that they won't make *all* those who bought from the store angry.